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to take up the explosive issue of same-sex marriage, agreeing to hear challenges to the federal defense of marriage act and california's proposition 8. nbc's pete williams joins us now from washington with all the latest details. good evening, pete. >> reporter: good evening, larry. the vilma case is the easier one. federal law signed into law by president clinton in 1996. it says if a person is legally married in a state, the federal government can't recognize those marriages. that's where you talked about federal benefits heterosexual couples get and same sex couples do not. the prop 8 thing is bigger. while potentially it's confined to the state of california only, the question it out there having given the right to gay marriage could the state then take it away through proposition 8 passed by a majority of the vote nurse 2008. having taken that case, the court could get to the bedrock issue. can any state refuse to let same sex couples get married under the federal constitution. it could potentially be narrow or very far. >> pete, as i understand it, let me ask you. this one of thes
was president. significant cuts in defense and also significant human services can you tell us. >> katie, let me ask you, before you respond to what governor dean is saying. there is logic to what howard dean is saying. i don't happen to agree with it. but i know where he's coming from. katie, let me ask you this -- katie can't hear me. we'll wait for her to get back hooked in. howard, what about the notion that i'm posing tonight -- i've said this a few times -- republicans better be careful. they're not going down your road and the democrats aren't going down your road. you have middle class tax cuts for the democrats and it sometimes sounds to me as an old reagan conservative that the republicans better watch themselves because sometimes it sounds like they are kind of defending rich people. that's their whole mantra, just defending rich people. and i think that's not where they should be. >> i would agree. if i were politically advising the republicans, which i'm certainly not, i think tom colts was right from oklahoma. they ought to get out of the way. there wouldn't be as much deficit redu
.s. and allies closer to the serious vicivil w. former deputy assistant defense secretary. rula let me begin with you. is this going to blow up into a civil war and blow up? >> no, i think it is against him grabbing power. it is a sign that he needs to back off and drop the decrees and make a constitution that is not acceptable by the egyptians. he is not governing in the name of the muslim brotherhood. he needs to listen to them. >> his recent actions suggest that the answer is no. and that is he going his own way. >> i hope she is right. everyone that you can think of is that the people who prevailed is that the people who are the most organized are the most ruthless. i want to ask you about the role of al qaeda in iraq and in jordon. could this spread to iraq? >> i think they have nothing to do with each other. it is wrong. they are two different cultures. they are a million years away from each other. let protesters are civil enough not to become violent. you saw the soldiers and the police men. they let them say what they wanted. and the us aid. and here the government has a major role
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